I started working with my E1 Mini and first of all I have to say that it feels, looks and behaves really great. In combination with the new Preset Editor version I stumbled upon some minor issues that I’d like to report as follows.
I figured out that the new controller type “Dial” on the mini doesn’t display any value changes with a limited parameter range i.e. from 64-90. If I change the Variant to “Default” or “Thin” the value change is displayed as usual on the E1 MK2. But in addition it is impossible to go back from the two regular Variants to “Dial”. If I like to do it I have to setup the dial agin from scratch.
I tried to copy controls from an E1MK2 Preset to the Mini. I recognized that it is not possible to copy a Fader type control and change the typt to “Dial” as described above. Since the features of Faders and Dials don’t differ (if I’m not mistaken) it would be great to be able to copy and change the control type afterwards.
In addition I had some Fader type controls that I couldn’t paste into the Mini Preset. Instead of using one of the slots for controls it pasted into the smaller rows for labelling. In some cases it worked and in some other not. I wasn’t able to figure out the difference.
During my work some feature ideas came up that I’d like to share in addition.
I’m currently unsure how to assign a function to the toggle function of a rotary knob. The insertion problem described above led to the idea of allowing the label slots to be used either for labels or for a “Pad” control element, which would then be triggered by the knob’s toggle function. This would be a very simple and intuitive way to assign functions.
I’m not sure if another idea has already been discussed. I’m working on a preset for a live performance. This requires certain control elements to be repeated on each page. I would greatly appreciate a kind of “alias control” for this—a copy that is only displayed graphically but references the original. In Cubase, for example, you can create so-called “ghost copies” of parts, which then adopt any changes to the original part without having to create a new “real” part. I’ve read that a kind of performance page might be along these lines; perhaps I just need to wait for the documentation to confirm this.
Another thing I recognized right now is that the lua command “pages.display(n)” doesn’t seem to work on the Mini. Not sure if the specification changed or if it’s a bug.
I’m sorry but another thing came up that I can’t understand.
I have assigned a function to a pad. It should send some MIDI data. When it is set to Mode “Momentary” it sends the data twice. In Mode “Toggle” it sends it just once. I have set my MIDI Monitor to receive only from Electra Controller Electra Port 1.
I am not around computer yet - but a quick guess: pad sends messages on off→on transition as well as off→on. so I guess you get your function call for both events. you can either remote the value from the control settings. eg. remove the off value. or you can implement your own logic in the function that handles the events.
… helped and is sufficient for me. I never experienced this before. That’s why I was wondering about it because other MIDI data being sent from a different function that wasn’t directly assigned to a Pad were working fine.
The documentation already covers this mode but it still seems missing. In another post I read that it’s supposed to be part of firmware version 4. I guess it’s postponed?
Thanks a lot @klaustrophil for the hint and the link.
I didn’t regognize this before. I just took a brief look and it seems like there is only one Performance page per Preset. This might be sufficient for the E1 MK1/2 but at least in my case not for the Mini. The preset I’m working on for a live Performance needs quite a few pages more.
yes, for now, I think that performance page - until it works across multiple presets - does not make much sense on the Mini.
I am considering allowing users to place control references on normal pages. But is worth mentioning however, that two or more controls that are assigned to the same MIDI parameter basically share act as one control. ie. it might be sufficient to simply make copies.
Currently I work with copies which is basically sufficient. The only problem I constantly run into is maintaining the control IDs. But of course I’m not even sure if reference controls would solve it. That was just my simple thinking…
You can try to copy/paste single controls. From my experience some worked, some others didn’t. And of course you can copy/paste your Lua code.
To my knowledge, further support measures and some recommendations for migrating from MKII to Mini are already in the works, and we are asked for some patience.
There is a new version of the web editor, the main goal is to support Mini and possibility to easily maintain two (or more) independent layouts in one preset. The it is quite a big upgrade. The first part was rolled out last week. I am waiting for things to settle down. There have been some issues. As things are getting better now, I will release another set of bigger changes this week.
What is prepared is possibility to open two layout editor - one for mk1/mk2 and the other for Mini. And simply drag and drop the controls from one to the other. As the control references and Lua will be shared, the presets should work just fine with different layout. Some advanced presets, such as @jhh’s ableton script or Jürgen’s drivenByMoss will need some tweaking. I will provide all support to make the transition as simple as possible.
Hi @martin. I have a basic question about the Mini I don’t think is documented or has been posted here yet … MK2 presets can have up to 12 pages of 36 controls = 432 controls. How does that translate over to the Mini? Does the Mini have 54 pages each with 8 controls? Or is there a smaller limit of number of visible controls per preset?
There is 8 pages of 8. That means when using simple controls such as dials, lists, the number controls in a preset is lower. But, with Mini I want to focus on multi-value controls - currently there are envelopes and four vertical faders - these can be easily expanded to the detail view that provides access to all their parameters. I would like to build more functionality on that idea - meaning, there could be multi-value controls that can effectively act as sub-pages. If you catch my drift.
I am sorry for being late with providing info, launching Mini has been difficult, I am trying to catch up with the backlog of things I need to update, including the docs.
EDIT: what I forgot to mention is that by using multis one can have more control parameters on one screen. eg. 8x vertical 4 faders + 4 buttons make it 36 again
yes, I want to extend custom controls to fully support this and multiple pots assigned. Just emailed @moss a moment ago that it could be used nicely for a channel strip and things like that.
I was looking a couple of times but can’t find it in the menus of my Mini or in the preset editor. I’m on FW v4.1.2.
