Hi there,
new to the Electra one. Im about to manually map my first preset on the Fabfilter twin3 Soft Synth.
What are the possibilities if I want to map more than128 cc’s of MIDI Channel 1?
Is it possible to add a second channel for more cc’s values? Or are there more options using other message types from electra one?
I advise you to study MIDI conventions (start with MIDI 1.0) first. The question is not about the Electra One but aoubth MIDI. If you understand that part of MIDI, you will be better in working with the Electra One.
Concentrate on MIDI CC’s . You’ll notice you don’t even have 128 CC available as certain CC are reserverd and you shouldn’t use them for anything else than they are intended for: 0, 1, 2, 7, 10, 11, 32, 64, 65, 66, 71, 74 and anyting above 120.
Make sure you also understand how to use 14 bit instead of 7 bit CC’s.
Also check on RPN and NRPN. RPN’s are not that useful. NRPN’s are better suited if the deivce you talk to have that capability. They allow you to go way beyond the CC restrictions in amount and resolution.
All understand the concept of the 16 MIDI channels, and how they are impacted if you use MPE.
Then there is SysEx but first ensure you understand and be comfortable with CC and NRPN
Actually, I would start with the FabFilter Twin manual and see that near the back they have a CC mapping table listing the CCs that it recognizes right out of the box and what they control.
I would begin by setting those up on the Electra One and then take it from there.
Once you get some controls working it’s much easier to add to that. Try to make the initial attempt as simple as possible to make debugging issues less challenging.
Thanks both of you for your input! Im aware of the reserved cc’s for the basic functions. I also understand that you use normally one a Midi channel out of 16 per instrument.
The question im asking myself was if there are some workaround to use more than these limitations.
For example, the Fabfilter Midi cc table has one filter reserved, but one can use four filters. Ive attached the first draft for the fab filter twin3 preset. But the cc limitation didn’t let me go further than that.
Maybe I could split the sections like filter, adsr, osc into three presets which then I switch on the electra one? But it shouldn’t work I guess, because the cc’s are already mapped to the plugin itself…
My approach would be to dedicate one channel per filter and use the same CC numbers for each.
That way, any time you want to automate/sequence any changes, you can use the same code/macros/approach and the only change needed is the MIDI channel.
In addtion, you can assign each control in the Electra One to a different Device. And each device can have its dedicated Channel. So in theory you can have many controls with the same CC on the same page all controlling a different channel. But what about the receiving side ? Does the synth you want to control listen to mutliple channels separately? That usually is only the case on mutli-timbral synths.
That’s the new part to me. To find out if some of my soft synths could receiving simultaneously data from different midi channels per instance.
If so that would be the solution I’m looking for. Besides that I have to find out if soft synths could receive messages like NRPN’s or others from Electra one.
I’m kind of a dummy in this regard on only used midi cc and eucon for the last 20 years.
Most soft synths won’t be able to receive on more than one channel, and most don’t react to NRPN either. But that 's up to each vst.
I’ve recently studied the manuals for U-He soft synths. The Diva and Repro Synths supports up to 16 MIDI channels regarding the manual. That would be my first try to send cc’s from two channels to soft synths.
Super ! Haven’t seen that much! You’ll surely be able to cope with that.
Keep in mind that your DAW will probably rechannelize all your messages to the MIDI channel the track is assigned to. I use Cubase and, to override this, you have to set the track MIDI channel to “any”
I believe Ableton has a similar limitation. No sure you can override it… Allthoug, on second thought now Ableton 12 is MPE compliant, they must have found way to make a device ‘listen’ to multiple MIDI channels at the same time.
MIDI In/Out is set to “all channel” in Logic Pro 11. So I guess it should work this way.
btw, is it possible to use lower case letters for electra one presets? everything is written in upper case letters.
You can use a second track in Ableton which listens to another channel and then send this track to the input of the first track
